Jon Cooper Interview: Learning, Link Building & Successful Blogging

It’s quite hard to believe that Jon Cooper has only been blogging for the past 2 years! Some of his posts gathered a lot of traction in 2012 and are often cited by other SEO bloggers and speakers – most notably his link building strategies and his most creative link building post ever.

The one thing that I’ve discovered about Jon is he always very accessible and willing to chat with his readers and often goes out of his way for them. So, I recently sat down with him over email and we got to chat about his blog, his course and a few things in between.

1. How did Point Blank SEO get started? What made you think a blog solely about link building would be successful?

Point Blank SEO got started because, after reading through a ton of internet marketing/SEO related content, I thought there was a lot of expertise that was lacking. I didn’t think I was going to fill that gap, but I thought I’d at least try, as well as learn about what a blogger has to deal with on a daily basis so I could better understand that demographic.

I thought a blog on just link building would be successful because, more than anything, that’s the kind of blog I want to read. Link building seemed to be the only thing separating the good from the great, and like anyone, I wanted to be great, so I wanted to see what I could contribute in that area.

2. What are the key things you’ve done to help to build your blog?

As you can see with my latest update, presentation is key to help setting me apart from the noise. I don’t want people coming to my site, thinking it’s just another SEO blog, and not giving the content a chance unless it was something seriously outstanding beyond all measure (which my content seldom, if anytime, is). I wanted people walking into my site thinking that this might be worth listening to, then I’d let my content do the rest.

I also think that would helped me build my blog in the beginning was that I was willing to engage with anyone wanting to engage with me. It’s tough seeing your blog get under 50 visitors a day for 6-12 months, thinking this is how it’s always going to be.

Lastly, content expectations has been huge, and I really haven’t even come close to mastering it. When I relaunched at the beginning of last year, I put in a ton of time into my first few posts, because I wanted people to associate the quality of each individual post with the quality of the blog. When they expected to see something great each time, and as long as they did actually see something great, they were almost programmed to share it, which is how I grew from 100 visitors a day to 1000 in less than a month.

3. What have you learned over the past 2 years of blogging? 

If you’re not different, don’t bother trying.

If you’re going into blogging with the goal of making money, 999/1000 you’re going to fail. The only reason I had success was because I had no expectations for the blog. The success came out of my passion for what I was doing, mostly because I didn’t need some reward of 10000 visitors at the end of the day, just the satisfaction of creating something great that I know I would appreciate.

I also took it seriously as a business when it started doing well. I set goals, I held myself to standards, and I had to turn it from a hobby into a real thing. If I didn’t, I’d still be another casual mid-level blogger, because when you take it seriously, you don’t stop until you succeed.

What’s worked for me, to my own dislike, is long content. Even when I think a shorter post is much, much better, the content I wrote that was the longest was way more shared & linked to. I think this is because of the sharer’s mentality; they want to seem as if they’re sharing great stuff, and if it’s detailed & long, they think they look better.

What didn’t work for me is turning off comments. I did that once on a controversial post, to try and get others to write posts in response and link to mine, but that didn’t work. I just lost a great discussion. I think it can work, but you have to commit and hold to it, even through all the criticism.

4. Why did you decide to create your link building course? What motivated you?
The main reason was because I wanted to train someone, but there was no resource out there to do it with. If I could train someone efficiently, I could increase the workload I could take on for client work, thus making me a lot more money.

The secondary reason was that I didn’t want to do any ads or obtrusive affiliate ads/reviews, so a training course like this could not only help me provide more value for my audience, but monetize my blog in a friendly way that no one would object to.

5. What have you learned from promoting your link building course? Would you do things differently?
I learned that, just like free content, if it’s a good product, people will want to tell others about it, even if it costs money. I know,  I could’ve done a much better job with the course even with the praise I’ve gotten, and I wish I did, because if people thought they were getting $300 or more in value for a $67 course, sign-ups would grow exponentially, outweighing the cost of charging more.

6. Do you think the fact it did so well was down to your personality & professional network or your unique product offering?
I think it had to with both. I’ve prided myself on the relationships I’ve built with influencers, readers, and email subscribers, so when the time came that I needed them, no matter what it really was, they were very willing to help out (especially since the majority really liked it). But I also think the unique product offering helped because there was really nothing out there in terms of a complete resource to learn link building, not even a book, so that really helped as well.

7. You plan to blog more & possibly launch a new info product in 2013, where do you find the time? What’s going to be prioritised to make this happen?
I made time by taking the semester off. If it’s really important, no matter what it is, you’ll make time. I truly believe that. And it doesn’t have to be as dramatic as taking the semester off if you’re in school.

But it’s going to be a ride as I try to juggle even more in less time, so we’ll have to wait and see how this goes :)

8. What’s on your recommended reading list for link builders ?
If you haven’t read the Psychology of Persuasion, read it. Everything in link building was brought to this niche because someone applied knowledge learned elsewhere to link building. There’s even some things in this book that hasn’t really been talked about, such as using the rejection-then-retreat technique, in which you ask for something bigger than a link, then when they say no, say “well, then can you at least give me a link?”. Just an example.

I also recommend the Personal MBA to really anyone in business, because process & work flow are becoming two very essential parts of link building as it’s becoming more & more like sales.

9. What are the types of links should SEO ‘s be focusing on building to their client sites this year?
Ones that webmasters aren’t normally asked to give. I think we’ve gotten to a point where seasoned webmasters are deathly sick of us link builders, so it’s going to be the ones who do something truly different and truly think outside of the box to get them to do what you want.

10. What’s your #1 link building tip?

Do everything in your power to not come across as a link builder to webmasters that you email. Once they see you as a genuine, real, and caring person, you’ve got a shot. Word choice does the rest.

Thanks, Jon for taking the time to answer my questions. If you are interested in learning more about link building you can still sign up to Jon’s Link Building Course for just $67, and be sure to follow him on Twitter.

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Traffic Tips to Kickstart your Crowdfunding Campaign

You’ve had that next billion dollar idea and you’re going to raise your first $25k via Kickstarter, Indiegogo or another crowd funding site to make it a reality.

Simply put, crowdfunding is the process of asking the general public for donations that provide startup capital for new ventures. Using the technique, entrepreneurs and small business owners can bypass venture capitalists and angel investors entirely and instead pitch ideas straight to everyday Internet users, who provide financial backing.

Competition for crowdfunding dollars is already high, and destined to become even more competitive as time passes. Launching a project on a crowd funding site is far from a guaranteed success – less than half of the Kickstarter projects reach their funding goal, and around 12% don’t receive a single pledge, therefore no matter how great your product is you’re going to need to get web traffic to your funding page or you are going to struggle to raise the necessary capital to get your project off the ground.

Phase 1: Build your audience

The most successful entrepreneurs know the power of leveraging other people’s money to get to where they want to be. Well the best marketers know how to leverage other people’s audiences to do that too. You want to start this phase at least 3-4 months before you plan to launch your funding campaign.

It’s important to write down who your ideal customer is and who your ideal funder will be. I like to create personas based on real data about customer demographics and online behaviour, along with educated guesses about their personal histories, motivations, and potential concerns.

Try to answer the following questions while you write out your personas:

  • What are the biggest problems they are trying to solve?
  • What do they need most?
  • What information are they typically searching for?
  • What trends are influencing their business or personal success?

Next, develop a profile of each persona’s typical online activities. You know who they are and what their needs are, now think about all the ways they research a potential purchase on your site or on others.

  • What do they do online? Do they read blogs? Are they active on social media?
  • What kind of search terms do they use? Are they on email lists or RSS subscribers?
  • What kind of information do they tend to consume online? Infographics? Videos? Podcasts?

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You Can get Links from Cold Outreach

There are a lot of great articles out there on how to write great outreach emails that will help to get you the attention of your link prospects but I want to cover a quick and easy way to get the attention of journalists and thought leaders in your space by creating a “need based desire” in your outreach emails.

This is a technique I have personally used to secure links for clients in the Guardian, the New York Times and Mashable to name but a few.

As a link builder it’s important to be able to communicate effectively with your link prospects. A great way to do this is to stop thinking about you/your client’s objectives and think more about the needs of your link prospect. These types of people need to be creating content on a regular basis and not just any old content; but content that will get extra traffic to their websites or increase publication sales in order for their employers to justify paying their wage every month.

How do you get responses to cold emails?

I’ve read lots of outreach posts over the past couple of years but very few have touched on creating a psychological need for someone to actually want to respond to your cold emails. This is quite a an easy tactic to employ in your outreach methods and can be implemented in your next link building campaign almost immediately.

In emails to people you don’t know you want to create an information gap.

Dr. George Lowenstien wrote a paper about Information Gap Theory in 1994 and it works like this:

When we come across something new that is not explained by our previous knowledge or experiences, an information gap is formed, and we have a desire to find the answer. 

If you’ve ever read “Driven”, “Make it Stick” or Derek Halpren’s blog you will have inevitably come across this theory before, but how many of you are implementing this right now in your outreach methods?

This is marketing 101 and yet very few people utilise this in their outreach efforts and instead spend their time “creating relationships”. So, when you email a person you don’t know for the first time you  generate an information gap and hence create a need based desire for them to have to reply to you.

You have created an anxiety, and only you can resolve it.

You do not, I repeat do not, include the link in the first email as this will look like any other spammy link request your prospect will receive day after day.

For example, if I was promoting some research my client had recently carried out on Pinterest traffic and conversions I might send the following email:


Hi (blogger name)

I came across some data that shows Pinterest traffic is worthless for eCommerce stores. The research was carried out by a major online retailer and shows that Pinterest traffic has a 40% higher bounce rate than Facebook and a conversion rate which is 25% lower than Twitter. 
If you would like me to send across more information about the research let me know, and I’ll happily email it across.


Did you see how quick and easy my email was, honestly now how many times do you blindly send out press releases or “please link to my post type” stuff?

I created an information gap by showing them the results of the research and they now have a “need based desire” to close that gap; the quickest and easiest way for them to do that is by replying to my email for me to send them the link to the research. I’m giving them what they want… I’m not soliciting a link, I’m just getting my content in front of someone who wants to read it, it just so happens they are thought leader in my niche.

But Chris I don’t have the budget to do all this research – well you don’t need to use your client’s own research, you could cite other people’s research in a blog post or infographic.

A lot of universities and government agencies aren’t great at making their data or research into news-worthy pieces. So you could cite them and by publishing the data in a new way or creating an exciting conclusion on your website you have some credible research that can be used as part of your outreach methods.

The next time you are carrying out an outreach campaign create a need based desire in your link prospect in order for them to reply to your emails.

Relationship Building ≠ Link Building

I’m going to let all you link builders in on a little secret… you don’t always need to be “building relationships” to be “building links”. Tweet this

Yes, a pre-existing relationship, even a passing acquaintance, is going to increase the likelihood that your outreach email will be acted upon. But let’s get serious for a moment most of the recent posts I have read on “relationship building” simply will not scale.

Despite the sinister undertones of forcefully trying to create some sort of relationship, the reason I am saying this is that the tactics people are employing involve putting a lot of focus on just a handful of prospects at a time.

They’ll attach themselves to a prospect and give a little, then wait, then give a little more, then wait…. rinse and repeat.

All you are actually doing is wasting time, not building links relationships Tweet This

Developing a mutually beneficial relationship can take a very long time and it is normal in the world of link building that no matter how great your pitch, your client or you are that these people you’ve spent time developing a relationship with will say NO.

That’s amazing to believe isn’t it, you’ve invested hours and hours building a “relationship” and when you finally got round to asking for the link they said, no!

What have you been doing on your client’s money for the past month.

I’m sure they can’t wait for their next monthly report…

If you really, truly, want to develop relationships online in order to build links then you need to change your mindset and begin to think about it in a scalable way.

Find the right people to target

As a link builder it is important that you cast your net far and wide. Don’t just focus on the big fish in the pond. Build up a prospective list of people who are a little lower down the pecking order; find out who is in the extended network of the influencer – oftentimes there are people influencing the influencer who are a lot more accessible.

This can be done with a social media tool such as Mentionmapp which shows you visually see who is talking to who and will help you to identify sub-communities on Twitter; simples.

If you are struggling to find new link prospects for your campaign then consider chunking up, or chunking down.

In NLP ‘chunking up’ refers to moving to a more general or abstract piece of information, ‘chunking down’ means moving to a more specific (niche) or detailed information. They help you think laterally fast. 

Kieran Flanagan source

If you spend a little time and think creatively you will come up with a lot more prospects in similar niches that you can begin to “build those relationships with” and at the same time developing a serious database of link prospects at various stages of development.

Automation is not a dirty word

What!!! You’re talking about automated link building in these post-penguin deep dark times… yes but not in the way’s you’re thinking about. No I’m talking about automating some of the processes I have discussed earlier in this post.

What you want to do is find tools, build tools or outsource the parts of this job that are so mind numbingly boring and ultimately are so cost inefficient you’re not going to make anywhere near the kind of money you would like.

For example you can use Mechanical Turk to outsource some of these link prospecting tasks for you, below is a video from Ben Wills, Ontolo:

How to Leverage Amazon’s Mechanical Turk for Link Building from Ontolo on Vimeo

You can also use advanced search operators in tools such as Scrapebox to return lots opportunities in a specific niche, or even a Chrome plugin such as Scraper can help you with this. If you are not sure what to do then this post from Justin Briggs will help you out.

I did say that you don’t need relationships to build links, didn’t I.

Well we can do this by building rapport quickly and not having to spend hours stalking people on social media or including them on a link round up post every few weeks. This involves understanding what motivates your prospect, knowing how to talk to their language and having something valuable to offer them, whether that’s fixing a broken link, offering a guest post or whatever link building tactic floats your boat.

So I’ll leave it to you to decide but I know I’d rather spend my time scaling my link building efforts, developing content that will earn me links and not sitting on Social Media for hours on end +1ing and RTing everything a few people are doing.

Add to Your RSS – Best Link Building Blogs for 2013


I think a lot of Link builders will be glad to see the back of 2012. The bar to entry on the first page of Google has been reset by Matt Cutts and his team:

  • Anchor text no longer holds as much weighting
  • Penguins are causing Negative SEO problems
  • Google are sniffing around Infographics and Guest Blogging

So it’s important that you are keeping up to date with the industry news, learn what is or isn’t working and perhaps pick up a few tips to make sure your link outreach emails are opened or acted upon.

Below are a few of my recommended reads for 2013 to make sure you are getting the most bang for your link building $ (but not paid links – no, that’s bad)…

Update… I have updated the list to include 2 new blogs I have started following this year which I am sure you will enjoy…




  • Sky Rocket SEO -  James Agate has really owned the guest blogging space over the past 18 months and has deservedly built up a great reputation when it comes to guest blogging techniques and outreach advice. James doesn’t just write about guest blogging, as this article on finding local link opportunities proves.


  • Buzzstream – provides a great link building outreach tool and they have a pretty decent blog that’s updated regularly with practical advice on advanced ways to use their product but also on link building in general.


  • Kaiser the Sage – Jason Acidre is a Manila based SEO consultant. He only began working in SEO in 2010 and his support to the online marketing community and his dedication to his blog have been inspiring in the past 12 months. Oh and don’t bother trying to take his crown as King of – you’ll regret it. One of my favourite posts of 2012 was on Conversion based Link Building.



  • Cucumber Nebula –Peter Attia’s shares his advice and thoughts on link building and online marketing. Peter offers a lot of good advice on outreach techniques and also some outside the box thinking with his Evil Ways to Build Links posts.



  • TLC SEO – this is the personal SEO blog of John Henry Scherck. It was launched in the last few months of 2012 and it already shows a lot of promise. John Henry writes a couple of times per month on tips that can help you scale your link building efforts using various tools such as Screaming Frog or the Citation Labs Link Prospector. Check this post out How to Scale Link Prospecting.


  • Backlinko – Brian Dean launched this blog in 2012 and I have been checking out some of his recent work. His link building techniques might be a little risky for some people but I recommend that you read his post 17 Untapped Link Building Resources which contains some creative link opportunities.

So fire up your RSS reader and if you aren’t already reading these blogs regularly I highly recommend you do.

I know there are probably some link buildings blogs I’ve missed off my list but many of them haven’t posted that frequently in the past 12 months which has meant they’ve not made the list.

So who have I missed? Tell me in the comments…